Biden v Trump (and one or two others) The US Presidential election 2024. Read OP before posting - Page 2 (2024)

I dont like Trump but these are all the reasons he is way better than Biden

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One event. You got me. Biden's back everyone!!

@KevMayo88

Yes, and whatever about Hitler, at least he didn't smoke and drink like Churchill did.

Your 'whatever about…' is doing the work of ten factories in China pulling a double shift in terms of what it glosses over. I'll say it flatly - a weekend at Biden's would be far better than Trump who incited a riot at the US Capitol over a lie about the election he wilfully spread and is currently being prosecuted for. Do you disagree?

His rallies invariably involve long tangents that make little to no sense. So comparing to the state of the union is fair. The latter was incredibly well received while the Trump rallies amount to two hours of raving.

And the fact that Trump is falling asleep during his own criminal trial is pretty telling.

Not to mention Trump telling his supporters about a horrible situation with an illegal aldillegdenathen

Age is against both Biden and Trump and we could trade clips of them both until the cows come home, but they're both prone to being old, mumbly f*cks. Neither has the upper hand on the other in that regard.

Trump is also evil, vindictive, petty, spiteful, mendacious and narcissistic in addition to being an old mumbly f*ck, with no business near the Oval Office.

Unfortunately, there are people who would want to see him elected again just so they could watch a replay of your one on her knees screaming, "NOOOOOO!!!", and would take that even in exchange for the worst vision of what Trump would try to do with his time back in office.

Pretty short-sighted.

MAGA mindset of spite and hate, a policy of wreckers…

Have absolutely zero positive idea or attempt to improve people's lives.

Trump will be the saviour of America.

Look at the state of the world under Biden. Russia/Ukraine, Israel/Gaza/Iran. The world has run riot under a weak and woke US. I'm half expecting China to invade Taiwan for Biden's final few months in power at this stage.

The presidents doctors will fill him full of just the right amount of amphetamines to get him through, and the same for Trump.

If you don't think this happens you aren't paying attention to their remarkable one off performances on crucial events.

Like he was the saviour from 2016-2020 when he threw away the election win by his incompetent handling of covid, costing American lives in the process?

Trump's plan for Ukraine is to let Russia run riot with it. But somehow that wouldn't be 'weak' to you. How that is 'weak' compared to what Biden is actually doing you are unable to explain.

Trump's plan for Gaza was to let Israel 'finish the job', whatever that means. How that is 'weak' compared to what Biden is doing? Biden just deployed US forces to protect Israel to try to de-escalate tensions.

Those are self discrediting contradictions you end up posting when you echo MAGA propaganda / social media cues.

There are only 150 million or so of us eligible for the office. We don't have a lot to choose from. It's understandable.

I don't know if abortion is going to be quite the mobilising issue that the Democrats think/hope it's going to be, except insofar as it would be a tangential effect. There is little talk of a federal abortion ban. Sure, one or two Congresscritters have mentioned it, but I think most voters realise that it's a state-level fight. Having either a direct referendum on the matter as some states have done, or simply choosing state candidates on the basis of protecting abortion rights in the states may well get people out to the polls who would not have done so, and while they are there, they may as well cast their votes on the Federal election side as well, but just because they vote one way on the abortion issue doesn't guarantee that they will vote the same way on the federal candidates. The perfect example of this was the California presidential election of 2008: Obama's candidacy brought in particular minority voters out in droves in California… but while they were there, they also cast state-level votes… and enshrined in the California Constitution that marriage was one man and one woman only. (Prop 8, later reversed by the courts, but that wasn't a result of voting). Something similar happened in California 2016: Clinton got record numbers of voters out, Trump got fewer in California than Romney did in 2012. But while they were there, the voters also took the decidedly less Democratic-party step of rejecting a ban on capital punishment (Prop 62), and indeed voting for the other referendum changing it to be faster and cheaper (Prop 66, that one was upheld by the courts).

Perhaps worse, if abortion is the one issue getting you out which otherwise you would stay home, another interesting factlet is that the infrequent voters recently have been pro-Trump. https://abcnews.go.com/538/vote-back-trump/story?id=109090626And I don't think Trump has ever stated (even amongst all his other flip-flopping on matters) that he would support a federal abortion ban. It seems to be one of the few things he's been consistent on.

So as a result, I would say that abortion would be a significant factor in only a few States, those where there legitimately is a good chance it can be changed. Florida being an obvious case in point as it's on the November ballot, much like it was in Kentucky a year ago. It's on the ballot in New York as well, but realistically, are a few more or less voters going to make a difference as to which way New York votes in federal elections? It's not on the ballot in Arkansas, so would be more a state legislature voting thing, but same question applies. Are they going to change the federal elections much?

But again, as I said above, being a significant factor in attendance is not necessarily a determinant in which way the federal votes will be cast. "OK. I want to vote in November to enshrine into the Florida Constitution that abortion will be protected until viablilty…. That's that done. Now what? Oh. My congresscritter. Now, what affects me more as a 60-something year old near/actual-retiree?" (There are lots of those in Florida). If the candidates don't say "I'm for a national abortion ban", then for most folks it'll come down to other subjects. Border security. Ukraine aid. Israel support. Student debt. Healthcare reform. Global warming. Veterans benefits. Whatever. They've already voted on abortion, that's dealt with. They can use their federal vote on other matters. Those other matters would be topics for future posts, though.

without any signs huh

https://news.yahoo.com/dimbulb-trump-torched-rambling-attempt-042438659.html

I don’t find you credible.

Trump couldn’t even do a live address after the January 6 attack. I know which I’m more concerned with.

Yeah, but you'd still have to vote for him over a crazy warmonger like Biden. And I think that's the mindset of many Americans right now.

Biden didnt start any wars. Thats just sound bite propaganda to dupe the ignorant.

Trumps approach is to stand back and let Russia massacre Ukraine without the US helping Ukraine defend itself.

Does that make Trump a "massacre monger" by your standard?

As for calling Biden crazy, thats self discrediting nonsense thats not fooling anyone paying attention.

Trump only recently said Netanyahu should commit genocide in Palestine. In relation to Russia, he seems like he'll just let them take any territory they want....

Its hard to imagine this would be a close election if it wasnt for social media.

You can see above the amount of lies being spewed but perhaps for the majority they arent lies in their heads.

"Trump has no signs of fatigue".. you just have to listen to the inane rambles he makes to know that a lie.

"Biden is a warmonger".. what wars did he start?

Christ and its only gonna get worse over the next 7 months.

lolz